--- Log opened Sun Feb 24 00:00:35 2008
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10:31 -!- aclark changed the topic of #zpugdc to: Sprint FTW! PloneSofwareCenter sprint starts at 10:30am EST. Please see: http://dev.plone.org/plone/ticket/7815 for more details.
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10:58 <@aclark> AdamAtNCPC: !
10:58 < AdamAtNCPC> aclark: :)
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11:22 <@aclark> /Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.4/bin/python
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11:41 <@aclark> MattBowen|ftw: !
11:41 < AdamAtNCPC> MattBowen|ftw: :D
11:42 < MattBowen|ftw> AdamAtNCPC: aclark !
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11:42 <@aclark|ftw> http://svn.plone.org/svn/collective/Products.PloneSoftwareCenter/buildout/branches/zpugdc-ratings-support
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11:44 <@aclark|ftw> oooooook, so task 1. is setup the buildout! FTW! :-)
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11:45 <@aclark|ftw> this buildout will get you the Products.PloneSoftwareCenter egg in src/ which is a branch of the trunk egg, so you can mangle away ;-)
11:45 <@aclark|ftw> we should use contentratings from alecm, AFAICT
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11:46 <@aclark|ftw> SteveM|away: !
11:46 < SteveM|away> aclark|ftw!
11:46 <@aclark|ftw> :-)
11:47 < MattBowen|ftw> SteveM|away: !
11:47 * SteveM|away is not really awake yet. Logging in to capture the dialogue.
11:47 < SteveM|away> MattBowen|ftw!
11:47 <@aclark|ftw> i can't believe that crazy guy behind us is monopolizing all that table space (don't look at once)
11:47 <@aclark|ftw> keeps talking to himself
11:48 < MattBowen|ftw> i looked immediately. he is strange. maybe we can get him to work on PSC with us?
11:49 < MattBowen|ftw> Error: Failed to download URL http://plone.org/products/atreferencebrowserwidget/releases/2.0.1/ATReferenceBrowserWidget-2.0.1.tar.gz: HTTP Error 500: Internal Server Error
11:50 <@aclark|ftw> plone error
11:59 < AdamAtNCPC|ftw> my buildout just got wicked
12:08 <@aclark|ftw> in addition to adding content ratings, PSC currently has http://plone.org/products/plonesoftwarecenter/issues/poi_issue_search?state=unconfirmed&state=open&state=in-progress
12:09 <@aclark|ftw> 23 open tickets
12:09 <@aclark|ftw> :-)
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12:30 <@aclark|ftw> hi tarek
12:31 <@aclark|ftw> we're getting everyone setup over here, then will probably try to add contentratings support...
12:33 -!- aclark|ftw changed the topic of #zpugdc to: Sprint FTW! PloneSofwareCenter sprint starts at 10:30am EST. Please see: http://dev.plone.org/plone/ticket/7815 for more details. Buildout is here: http://svn.plone.org/svn/collective/Products.PloneSoftwareCenter/buildout/branches/zpugdc-ratings-support/
12:36 <@aclark|ftw> tarek: that's very exciting :-)
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12:37 < tarek> so what are you planning to do today ?
12:37 <@aclark|ftw> tarek: we're planning to add contentratings support to PSC on our branch, if we succeed, i'll merge that too
12:37 <@aclark|ftw> MattBowen|ftw is looking into contentratings right now...
12:38 < tarek> ok
12:39 <@aclark|ftw> tarek: of course there are also 23 open tickets on PSC in the tracker ... and i might cleanup some of the dependencies (read: egg-i-fy) because i enjoy that sort of thing
12:40 * MattBowen|ftw can't even get content ratings to install. Sweet
12:40 <@aclark|ftw> hah
12:40 < MattBowen|ftw> http://paste.plone.org/19703
12:41 < tarek> i cannot stay right now because i have familiy duties at the moment. But I will come back later and help around on the open tickets
12:41 <@aclark|ftw> tarek: np, thanks!
12:41 < tarek> have a good start, cya
12:41 < MattBowen|ftw> mea culpa; misnamed my checkout
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12:52 < MattBowen|ftw> all: http://plone4artists.org/products/plonecontentrating/
12:54 < aclark_> well played
12:55 < aclark_> ok my brain is starting to work after 2+ hours of sitting here
12:59 < AdamAtNCPC|ftw> more isntructions for using w your product: http://plone.org/products/contentratings
13:15 * aclark|ftw does something useful unrelated to content ratings (adding plonesoftwarecenter_ploneorg.pt to display views :-)
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13:21 -!- aclark|ftw changed the topic of #zpugdc to: Sprint FTW! PloneSofwareCenter sprint starts at 10:30am EST. Please see: https://dev.plone.org/plone/ticket/7815 for more details. Buildout is here: https://svn.plone.org/svn/collective/Products.PloneSoftwareCenter/buildout/branches/zpugdc-ratings-support/
13:21 <@aclark|ftw> oops
13:21 <@aclark|ftw> sorry MattBowen|ftw
13:22 <@aclark|ftw> i really wish this crazy guy would leave!
13:25 < tarek> back, I am going to look at #66
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13:26 < tarek> aclark|ftw, can I be added in the PSC poi to be able to be assigned to some bugs
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13:36 <@aclark|ftw> tarek: sure, sec
13:38 <@aclark|ftw> tarek: what is your plone.org username ?
13:39 <@aclark|ftw> tarek: (i added tarek)
13:41 < tarek> yes that's it, thanks
13:45 <@aclark|ftw> np
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14:04 <@aclark|ftw> SteveM|away: ping
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15:20 < MattBowen|ftw> https://svn.plone.org/svn/collective/contentratings/trunk/contentratings/
15:20 <@aclark|ftw> +1
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15:29 < MattBowen|ftw> http://paste.plone.org/19704
15:31 < AdamAtNCPC|ftw> I think we've determined that PloneContentRating (the p4a product) is not going to work as-is because it overrides the document_byline via skins and implements for BaseObject. That's just too much rating. But, we determined they "wrapped" (that is, have in a pythonlib folder) contentratings. Maybe we can just use contentratings with a more limited implementation than the p4a kids did...
15:34 < AdamAtNCPC|ftw> but other than overimplementing, the p4a product was pretty nice: an authenticated user could only rate a content object once (and was then able to subsequently change his/her rating).
15:34 <@aclark|ftw> SteveM: for your logs ^^^ :-)
15:34 < AdamAtNCPC|ftw> we've also determined that--for now, at least--it makes sense to scope our work to a rating for projects, not project releases
15:35 < AdamAtNCPC|ftw> we also think it would make sense for the project's ratings to appear near the top of the page (the p4a kids had a good idea in their proximity to the existing byline)
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16:36 < dgreenfeld> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sparkline
16:43 < AdamAtNCPC|ftw> there are multiple goals: to provide a sense of how good a product [currently] is at a glance; to help integrators make decisions between similar products. While we don't want a ratings system to take away from the issue tracker, we might someday want commenting to follow along with the rating (i.e., why someone rated something some way)...but that's out of scope for now.
16:43 < AdamAtNCPC|ftw> If a project's rating is determined by the average of individual ratings, we have thought about scaling ratings of a certain date and older
16:44 < AdamAtNCPC|ftw> That is, a more recent rating should count more toward a project's rating than a significantly older rating
16:44 <@aclark|ftw> yes
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16:44 < AdamAtNCPC|ftw> in this way, projects which were rated well during previous Plone releases would not maintain their high ratings if the project didn't keep current
16:45 < AdamAtNCPC|ftw> we have speculated that users may want to "see" how these scaled ratings are calculated, by either a small graph (see link above to sparkline) or some other system (perhaps tabular, showing number of ratings and average ratings for different time periods)
16:46 < AdamAtNCPC|ftw> it does seem to make sense that, if we scale ratings by some time period, that time period correlate to the Plone release schedule
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17:16 * aclark declares sprint ending in 19 minutes, thanks everyone!
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