I discussed meeting at PN with Jason Beard and I think we are good to go.

Would anyone like to volunteer to present or suggest a topic that is 'hot'
right now ? 
I might have a few things I could talk about. 

Also noone chimed in with comments about keeping meeting notes on zpugdc.org,
is that
a bad/good/dontcare idea ? 

Personally, I would enjoy seeing something like this on the /event_view: 

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

 Meeting: Some Meeting
 Presentation: Some Preso
 Mini Presentation: Some Mini Preso

 For more information, visit  where/saic  
 For meeting notes, visit mtg28/doc

 What
 When
 Where
 Etc...

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But that's just me :-)
[...]

Hi All, 

We are in fact "good to go". If noone chimes in today/soon, I will talk about
*something*. 

Just to wet everyone's whistle, there is a Plone conference going on in Vienna
right
now, and there is some discussion of "uniting" the regional ZPUG groups (among
other 
things). 

So we do have stuff to talk about ;-)

Alex

On Fri, Sep 16, 2005 at 04:37:01PM -0400, Alex Clark wrote:[...]
[...]

I'd still be interested, sometime, if appropriate, in a hands-on
mini-workshop type of thing around a specific topic.  For example, I
did my first little Archetypes content type (for a 'Recipe') but
don't know how make all the fields searchable, or how to tell the UML
modeller about all the widget info and such.  I have a lot to learn
about archetypes; perhaps others do too and we could share our
ignorance.  Uh, or maybe better, learn from each other.

Would spending (say) 30 minutes of a meeting on a hands-on thing like
this be appropriate?  I'm sure there are plenty of features --
especially in Plone-2.1 -- that we could learn from each other.

If anyone has had experience migrating from plone 2.0.5 to 2.1 and  
could share lessons learned - I think this would be a good topic too.

David

On Sep 19, 2005, at 12:30 PM, Chris Shenton wrote:
[...]
==============================
David Diskin, david.diskin(at)verizon.net

From IRC: http://plone.org/documentation/faq/importing-2.0-content-into-2.1

13:26 < tim2p> hmm, after importing a folder from a 2.0.5 site to a fresh
2.1 instance, trying to view it gives me a maximum 
               recursion error
13:26 < stasi_home> i see.. but as ppl from schooltool said, there are no
ZMI in zope3..
13:26 < tim2p> the folder has an 'index_html' 'Document' in it
13:26 < tim2p> anyone got any bright ideas?
13:26  * tim2p has run portal_atct's migration
13:27 < alecm> tim2p: Importing content from 2.0.5 to 2.1 is a perilous
task ;)  The problem is that the portal_type stays the 
               same, which makes plone think your old cmf object is an ATCT
object.
13:27 < alecm> tim2p: You need to recatalog all CMF types before doing
the migration (there's a tab in portal_atct for it).
13:27 < tim2p> alecm: perilous indeed.  i'm only doing it this way coz i
couldn't get my migration to work
13:27 < geoffd> alecm:  is there a howto anywhere?
13:27  * geoffd has to upgrade a 2.0.5 site one of these days...
13:28 < JoaoJoao> I'm building some products from the ground up because
my 2.0.5->2.1 migration was a complete disaster
13:28 < stasi_home> could someone point me to a very short example of
Archetype or ArchetypeXML based Product for Plone 2.1?
13:28 < alecm> geoffd, tim2p: http://plone.org/documentation/faq/importing-2.0-content-into-2.1
13:29 -!- andym [n=andymcka(at)plone/andym] has left #plone []
13:29 < tim2p> thanks alecm
13:30 < alecm> in most cases in-place migration should work.  If the ATCT
migration fails then the steps there can also make an 
               inplace migration work.
13:30 < JoaoJoao> my *real* problem was CMFMember, that was a major PITA
13:31  * shapr agrees
13:31 < alecm> There have been a few cases where people have some objecte
(usually folders) which have no portal_type set at all 
               (I think due to some bad FTP or WebDAV happenings in 2.0).  In
this case they need to find those objects and give 
               them a portal_type.
13:32 < alecm> JoaoJoao: It looks like there is a sane replacement for
CMFMember which is gaining some traction.
13:32 -!- ateoh211 [n=victim(at)cbl171004.sce.ceinetworks.com] has joined
#plone
13:33 < alecm> Still needs some work.  But it uses z3 technologies and
can integrate with PAS, which will be the authentication 
               mechanism for future plone versions.

On Mon, Sep 19, 2005 at 12:47:37PM -0400, David Diskin wrote:[...]
[...]

On Mon, Sep 19, 2005 at 12:30:46PM -0400, Chris Shenton wrote:[...]

I think 30 minutes is too short, if we are going to do a hands on we should
make it at least an hour or possibly even the entire length of the meeting.

I can foresee a couple of problems with doing something this:

- There is a criteria for attendance, namely people should have: 
  a laptop with Python-2.4.1, Zope-2.8.1, Plone-2.1, etc.

- The nature of a "hands on" may exclude newcomers.

In general it's much harder to organize something like this
and much easier to say "ok show up at 7:00pm and someone will talk *at* you"
:-)
[...]
[...]

Alex Clark <aclark(at)aclark.net> writes:
[...]

I agree. Would a separate hands-on type of get-together be of interest
and appropriate?

I don't know, but we could make that one of the topics for the meeting tomorrow
;-)

On Mon, Sep 19, 2005 at 02:16:28PM -0400, Chris Shenton wrote:[...]
[...]

Chris Shenton wrote:
[...][...][...]
mini presentation (as necessary the week/meeting before) to do an
install/build "fest" for those who might need it. 

If we do a hands on session quarterly, we can make the
laptop-ready-to-go requirement and plan better for wifi for participants.

I am also down for impromtu hands on hacking sessions.

best,
~reed
[...]

"Reed L. O'Brien" <reed(at)intersiege.com> writes:
[...]

I'd be happy to hang out for some hands-on at a (sorry) pre-meeting,
at Kolumbia or some place. Net would be good.  

Or some other day, wherever.

can people get a temporary webex account and we all do some session....
 I would love to just see a different perspective about hands on things, but
it can be difficult for me to attend something in DC sometimes.

 On 9/19/05, Chris Shenton <chris(at)shenton.org> wrote:[...]

I agree with Jimmy. Is there some way to get a webex account that does not 
set one back by a few hundred dollars?

On 9/19/05, Jimmy small <mallaice(at)gmail.com> wrote:[...]

[...]

you can have a trial version I think ..... not sure how it is limited
though.

On 9/20/05, Bryan Simmons <bryan.simmons(at)gmail.com> wrote:[...]

Why not create a #ZPUG channel on freenode?  We could meet there at a
predetermined time. We could follow some of the Howtos on Plone.org.  We
could accentuate that documentation if anyone wants to volutneer to
transliterate the IRC session.  We could use collaborative editing
(http://moonedit.com/indexen.htm)
and people could watch it unfold...I
could learn that way;-)

best,
~reed

Jimmy small wrote:
[...]

[...]

gotomeeting.com has fairly cheap ($70/mo) accounts that can host in 6-10 
users at once, for an unlimited number of hours per month.

Don't think it's mac friendly though, and don't know about Linux.



On 9/20/05 11:53 AM, Jimmy small wrote:
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