All --

It sounds like, in general, we will want to have a meeting for
Tuesday.

This will be my last ZPUG meeting. As far as transition stuff goes:

- ZPUG website: I'm happy to host forever. You're welcome to move it someplace
else. I'm happy to transfer the name "zpugdc.org" to someone else.

Alex and Jules both have Manager access on the site, and can
update it. I'm happy to give others that privilege. Jules has
indicated that he would happy to arrange a future home for
zpugdc.org. There's no real hurry, though--my leaving doesn't
affect the site being up, so we can transfer it in the future
at our own pace.

- Meeting Space: PN is happy to keep hosting us. Jules is the
obvious person to manage this relationship.

- Selecting Speakers: *someone* or some group needs to take over
this.

- "Person In Obvious Charge": My experience is that things like
ZPUG need someone who is "in charge" for the simple stuff.
For example, when someone emails zpug and asks if we're
meeting on Christmas eve, or things like that, usually, there's
conversation on the mailing list, and everyone is expecting me
to chime in with some official consensus. Probably, someone
should step in and offer be the simple, single voice of zpug
for those kind of things. Happily, there's no reason for that
person to have to schedule all the speakers or keep the site
up.

As for meeting next Tuesday, I'm up for it.

I'd have a preference for the group to talk about the consulting end
of things for this meeting. Partially because I've been a Plone
consultant, but are not anymore, so it's my first chance to give out
info about what I learned, etc., without worrying about helping my
competitors, and partially because I'd love to hear how other people,
like Paul Boos, have been successfully running Zope/Plone developement
consulting. I'm in charge of *other* Plone consultants now, and would
benefit from success stories.

Of course, if others want to cover other things instead, that's fine--
but let's get some consensus soon ;)

Cheers,

- j

Alex,

I installed Fink, and then GraphViz as binary.  all seemed fine.  But,  
Plone still doesn't seem to invoke it.  Maybe I should try DarwinPorts  
next

David

On May 15, 2005, at 1:37 PM, Alex Clark wrote:
[...][...]
>>> go over things that are relevant to the training while it is still
>>> fresh in our minds. I think consulting advice can wait for now.
Just  
>>> a
>>> thought. I also think it would be a good idea to talk about the  
>>> future
>>> of ZPUG as Joel will soon be leaving. Of particular interest our
>>> relationship with Porter Novelli, future bootcamps, breakout  
>>> sessions,
>>> finding speakers etc.
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>> Jonah
>>>
>>>
>>> On May 14, 2005, at 8:56 PM, Alex Clark wrote:
>>>
>>>> Tuesday works for me if we can get a presenter or something to
do.
>>>> So if anyone has an idea please chime in! I think we had
discussed
>>>> having a meeting about best consulting practices.
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, May 14, 2005 at 08:03:48PM -0400, David Diskin wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Alex -
>>>>>
>>>>> i thought we'd officially changed the meeting day to
Tuesday.  I
>>>>> have a
>>>>> conflict on Monday at least until the end of May.
>>>>>
>>>>> David
>>>>>
>>>>> On May 14, 2005, at 7:05 PM, Alex Clark wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Anyone want to present on Monday or meet for other
nefarious
>>>>>> purposes ?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --   
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>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> ==============================
>>>>> David Diskin, david.diskin(at)verizon.net
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>> 1116111235207
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --  
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>>>> 1116114060672
>>>>
>>>
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>>>
>>>[...][...]
==============================
David Diskin, david.diskin(at)verizon.net

David in your terminal cd to the Products directory... once there run  
this command:

grep -r graphviz *

you will notice it prints out the filenames containing instances of  
the word graphiz

I think the magic you are looking for will be in the file config.py  
in which which case look closely at the dependencies...

let me know if that doesn't work

-Jonah


config.py in Archetypes:

## If you have graphviz http://www.research.att.com/sw/tools/graphviz/
## and its frontend "dot" installed on your system set this to True
## You need dot version > 1.10 with cmapx support.
try:
     GRAPHVIZ_BINARY = transform_utils.bin_search('dot')
except transform_utils.MissingBinary:
     # graphviz not found
     GRAPHVIZ_BINARY = None
     HAS_GRAPHVIZ = False
else:
     HAS_GRAPHVIZ = True

## comment out the following line to enable the reference graph tool
HAS_GRAPHVIZ = False

## protect attributes of AttributeStorage from unallowed access?
ATTRIBUTE_SECURITY = False














On May 15, 2005, at 4:02 PM, David Diskin wrote:
[...][...]
>>> in is
>>> how to install Unix products (e.g. GraphViz) that the Plone/Zope
>>> environment can use.  In particular, I'm interested in this for  
>>> Mac OS
>>> X.  This is related to Jule's great notes on installing Zope/ 
>>> Plone from
>>> scratch for Mac OS X.  I'm a unix newbie so all of this would be  
>>> very
>>> helpful to me.  I'm not sure how many others would benefit, but
I'm
>>> guessing at least a few.
>>>
>>> David
>>>
>>> On May 14, 2005, at 9:04 PM, Jonah Crawford wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Seeming how we all just got out of a week long class maybe we 

>>>> should
>>>> go over things that are relevant to the training while it is
still
>>>> fresh in our minds. I think consulting advice can wait for
now.  
>>>> Just a
>>>> thought. I also think it would be a good idea to talk about
the  
>>>> future
>>>> of ZPUG as Joel will soon be leaving. Of particular interest
our
>>>> relationship with Porter Novelli, future bootcamps, breakout  
>>>> sessions,
>>>> finding speakers etc.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks!
>>>>
>>>> Jonah
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On May 14, 2005, at 8:56 PM, Alex Clark wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Tuesday works for me if we can get a presenter or
something to do.
>>>>> So if anyone has an idea please chime in! I think we had
discussed
>>>>> having a meeting about best consulting practices.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, May 14, 2005 at 08:03:48PM -0400, David Diskin
wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Alex -
>>>>>>
>>>>>> i thought we'd officially changed the meeting day to
Tuesday.  I
>>>>>> have a
>>>>>> conflict on Monday at least until the end of May.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> David
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On May 14, 2005, at 7:05 PM, Alex Clark wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Anyone want to present on Monday or meet for other
nefarious
>>>>>>> purposes ?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --  Alex Clark                                    
       
>>>>>>> aclark.NET
>>>>>>> Web Hosting - System/Network Consulting -
Zope/Plone Consulting
>>>>>>> 4512 Avamere Street Bethesda MD 20814       Phone:
410-340-6010
>>>>>>> E-Mail: aclark(at)aclark.NET                URL:
http://aclark.NET
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --  To unsubscribe send an email with subject
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for questions.
>>>>>>> http://zpugdc.org/lists/zpugdc/archive/

>>>>>>> 2005/2005-05/1116107404711
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> ==============================
>>>>>> David Diskin, david.diskin(at)verizon.net
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --  To unsubscribe send an email with subject
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>>>>>> 2005/2005-05/1116107404711/
>>>>>> 1116111235207
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -- Alex Clark                                          
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>>>>> Web Hosting - System/Network Consulting - Zope/Plone
Consulting
>>>>> 4512 Avamere Street Bethesda MD 20814       Phone:
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to
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>>>>> 1116114060672
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>> 1116114856694
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> ==============================
>>> David Diskin, david.diskin(at)verizon.net
>>>
>>>
>>> -- To unsubscribe send an email with subject 'unsubscribe' to
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>>> 2005/2005-05/1116107404711/1116171912724
>>>[...][...]

Yuesday is also fine with me.  I understood from the slew of people that 
wanted to postpone the first meeting of the month; that they wanted to 
meet after the bootcamp all filled with excitement from it.  Also I 
beleive this is the last time that Joel will be in town for a ZPUG 
meeting (in the foreseeable future.  I for one would like to hear his 
perspective on consulting.

Furthermore I wouldn't mind bandying about the idea of ZPUG sponsoring 
regular botcamps, they could be a boon to the project, and prove 
symbiotic by broadening our members knowledge and by doanting profits to 
the foundation drive a small revenue stream.

Anyone else have thoughts on this?
~r


Alex Clark wrote:
[...][...]
>>>
>>>-- 
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>>>4512 Avamere Street Bethesda MD 20814       Phone: 410-340-6010
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>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>>      
>>>[...][...]

joel(at)joelburton.com writes:
[...]

Dang it, I simply can't do it tonight (have to take relatives to the
airport).  I'd LOVE to do this any other day, any other time.
Sniffle.