Isn't lunchtime traditionally 12:00? I could go for 11:30am but that's 
just me.

Everybody's silence denotes acceptance, btw.

On May 3, 2005, at 12:00 PM, Reed L. O'Brien wrote:
[...]

I vote for a later lunch - like 12:30, given we're probably not 
starting until 9:00.  But, 12:00 will also work.

On May 3, 2005, at 7:08 PM, Jules wrote:
[...][...][...]
==============================
David Diskin, david.diskin(at)verizon.net

I requested the deliveries at lunchtime and Bill is going to bring a 
check Thursday. They will be paid friday...
No one had any comments about allergies or preferences outside of the 
email I sent, so they are accomodating as well as they can.

cheers,
~r

Jules wrote:
[...][...][...]

Tuesday works better for me as well - anyone up for tuesday instead ?

Jonah

On May 14, 2005, at 9:04 PM, Jonah Crawford wrote:
[...][...]
>>> Alex -
>>>
>>> i thought we'd officially changed the meeting day to Tuesday.  I  
>>> have a
>>> conflict on Monday at least until the end of May.
>>>
>>> David
>>>
>>> On May 14, 2005, at 7:05 PM, Alex Clark wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Anyone want to present on Monday or meet for other nefarious  
>>>> purposes ?
>>>>
>>>> -- 
>>>> Alex Clark                                          
aclark.NET
>>>> Web Hosting - System/Network Consulting - Zope/Plone
Consulting
>>>> 4512 Avamere Street Bethesda MD 20814       Phone:
410-340-6010
>>>> E-Mail: aclark(at)aclark.NET                URL: http://aclark.NET
>>>>
>>>> -- 
>>>> To unsubscribe send an email with subject 'unsubscribe' to
>>>> zpugdc(at)lists.zpugdc.org.
>>>> Please contact zpugdc-owner(at)lists.zpugdc.org for questions.
>>>> http://zpugdc.org/lists/zpugdc/archive/2005/2005-05/1116107404711
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> ==============================
>>> David Diskin, david.diskin(at)verizon.net
>>>
>>>
>>> -- 
>>> To unsubscribe send an email with subject 'unsubscribe' to
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>>> http://zpugdc.org/lists/zpugdc/archive/

>>> 2005/2005-05/1116107404711/1116111235207
>>>
>>>[...][...]

hi Jonah -

I commented out this line in Archetypes/config.py:
[...]

is now:

  ## HAS_GRAPHVIZ = FALSE

restarted Zope but still doesn't work.  Any other suggestions?   Thanks  
for the help.

David


On May 15, 2005, at 4:14 PM, Jonah Crawford wrote:
[...][...]
>>> David,
>>>
>>> If you are going this route you should become familiar with a few 

>>> things:
>>>
>>> 1. Apple's XCode - Available from the Panther/Tiger media or the  
>>> Apple Developer website.
>>> Contains the gcc compiler for compiling stuff.
>>>
>>> 2. Fink - available at fink.sourceforge.net. Allows you to install
 
>>> unix software easily
>>> either via compiling it or installing binaries. Graphviz is  
>>> available this way.
>>>
>>> 3. DarwinPorts - available at darwinports.opendarwin.org. Same  
>>> concept as fink, considered
>>> better by some, I like it because it installs the latest version
of  
>>> Subversion whereas fink
>>> installs an older version.
>>>
>>> Alex
>>>
>>> On Sun, May 15, 2005 at 12:55:04PM -0400, David Diskin wrote:
>>>
>>>> Another topic that I'd be interested (not for this coming
week) in  
>>>> is
>>>> how to install Unix products (e.g. GraphViz) that the
Plone/Zope
>>>> environment can use. In particular, I'm interested in this for
Mac  
>>>> OS
>>>> X. This is related to Jule's great notes on installing
Zope/Plone  
>>>> from
>>>> scratch for Mac OS X. I'm a unix newbie so all of this would
be very
>>>> helpful to me. I'm not sure how many others would benefit, but
I'm
>>>> guessing at least a few.
>>>>
>>>> David
>>>>
>>>> On May 14, 2005, at 9:04 PM, Jonah Crawford wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Seeming how we all just got out of a week long class maybe
we  
>>>>> should
>>>>> go over things that are relevant to the training while it
is still
>>>>> fresh in our minds. I think consulting advice can wait for
now.  
>>>>> Just a
>>>>> thought. I also think it would be a good idea to talk
about the  
>>>>> future
>>>>> of ZPUG as Joel will soon be leaving. Of particular
interest our
>>>>> relationship with Porter Novelli, future bootcamps,
breakout  
>>>>> sessions,
>>>>> finding speakers etc.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>>
>>>>> Jonah
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On May 14, 2005, at 8:56 PM, Alex Clark wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Tuesday works for me if we can get a presenter or
something to do.
>>>>>> So if anyone has an idea please chime in! I think we
had discussed
>>>>>> having a meeting about best consulting practices.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sat, May 14, 2005 at 08:03:48PM -0400, David Diskin
wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Alex -
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> i thought we'd officially changed the meeting day
to Tuesday. I
>>>>>>> have a
>>>>>>> conflict on Monday at least until the end of May.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> David
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On May 14, 2005, at 7:05 PM, Alex Clark wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Anyone want to present on Monday or meet for
other nefarious
>>>>>>>> purposes ?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -- Alex Clark  aclark.NET
>>>>>>>> Web Hosting - System/Network Consulting -
Zope/Plone Consulting
>>>>>>>> 4512 Avamere Street Bethesda MD 20814  Phone:
410-340-6010
>>>>>>>> E-Mail: aclark(at)aclark.NET URL: http://aclark.NET
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -- To unsubscribe send an email with subject
'unsubscribe' to
>>>>>>>> zpugdc(at)lists.zpugdc.org.
>>>>>>>> Please contact
zpugdc-owner(at)lists.zpugdc.org for questions.
>>>>>>>> http://zpugdc.org/lists/zpugdc/archive/2005/2005-05/

>>>>>>>> 1116107404711
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ==============================
>>>>>>> David Diskin, david.diskin(at)verizon.net
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -- To unsubscribe send an email with subject
'unsubscribe' to
>>>>>>> zpugdc(at)lists.zpugdc.org.
>>>>>>> Please contact zpugdc-owner(at)lists.zpugdc.org
for questions.
>>>>>>> http://zpugdc.org/lists/zpugdc/archive/2005/2005-05/

>>>>>>> 1116107404711/
>>>>>>> 1116111235207
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -- Alex Clark  aclark.NET
>>>>>> Web Hosting - System/Network Consulting - Zope/Plone
Consulting
>>>>>> 4512 Avamere Street Bethesda MD 20814  Phone:
410-340-6010
>>>>>> E-Mail: aclark(at)aclark.NET URL: http://aclark.NET
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -- To unsubscribe send an email with subject
'unsubscribe' to
>>>>>> zpugdc(at)lists.zpugdc.org.
>>>>>> Please contact zpugdc-owner(at)lists.zpugdc.org for
questions.
>>>>>> http://zpugdc.org/lists/zpugdc/archive/2005/2005-05/1116107404711/
>>>>>> 1116114060672
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -- To unsubscribe send an email with subject 'unsubscribe'
to
>>>>> zpugdc(at)lists.zpugdc.org.
>>>>> Please contact zpugdc-owner(at)lists.zpugdc.org for
questions.
>>>>> http://zpugdc.org/lists/zpugdc/archive/2005/2005-05/1116107404711/
>>>>> 1116114856694
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> ==============================
>>>> David Diskin, david.diskin(at)verizon.net
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -- To unsubscribe send an email with subject 'unsubscribe' to
>>>> zpugdc(at)lists.zpugdc.org.
>>>> Please contact zpugdc-owner(at)lists.zpugdc.org for questions.
>>>> http://zpugdc.org/lists/zpugdc/archive/2005/2005-05/1116107404711/

>>>> 1116171912724
>>>>
>>>
>>> -- 
>>> Alex Clark  aclark.NET
>>> Web Hosting - System/Network Consulting - Zope/Plone Consulting
>>> 4512 Avamere Street Bethesda MD 20814  Phone: 410-340-6010
>>> E-Mail: aclark(at)aclark.NET URL: http://aclark.NET
>>>
>>> -- 
>>> To unsubscribe send an email with subject 'unsubscribe' to  
>>> zpugdc(at)lists.zpugdc.org.
>>> Please contact zpugdc-owner(at)lists.zpugdc.org for questions.
>>> http://zpugdc.org/lists/zpugdc/archive/2005/2005-05/1116107404711/

>>> 1116174104455
>>>
>>>
>>>[...]
==============================
David Diskin, david.diskin(at)verizon.net

On Mon, May 16, 2005 at 12:26:36AM -0400, David Diskin wrote:[...]

David --

It shouldn't matter how you install GraphViz (ie, Fink or other methods).
What matters is that things can find it.

The graphviz command that program use is "dot"; check that dot is on
your path. You can use the command which:

 $ which dot
 /usr/bin/dot

(I think `which` is part of OSX; I don't have an OSX box to check. If not,
you can use find to find where the dot executable is.)

The file you want to look at is the config.py in DCWorkflowGraph;
if dot isn't in /usr/bin or /usr/local/bin, you'll need to edit this
to add the path of dot. Then restart Zope.

The config.py is Archetypes has nothing to do with getting a workflow
graph. It's another use of GraphViz's dot, in this case, to show
a directed graph of references for those AT objects that refer
to other AT objects. A neat, but less useful feature, since most
of us aren't doing lots of work with AT refs.

Good luck, and cheers,

- j.

[...]

Have you put the Developer Tools on your system yet ?
You need to do that David  ;-D

download the tarred program to the Desktop
cd to the Desktop
untar   usually --->     tar cxvf  foobar.tar.gz
leaves you with  a folder named foobar
read the install file or README first!
usually something like this will get an install up and running



cd foobar
./configure
make
make install

#do not do this as root if you can avoid it









On May 16, 2005, at 12:26 AM, David Diskin wrote:
[...][...][...][...]
>>> Alex,
>>>
>>> I installed Fink, and then GraphViz as binary. all seemed fine.  
>>> But, Plone still doesn't seem to invoke it. Maybe I should try  
>>> DarwinPorts next
>>>
>>> David
>>>
>>> On May 15, 2005, at 1:37 PM, Alex Clark wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> David,
>>>>
>>>> If you are going this route you should become familiar with a 

>>>> few things:
>>>>
>>>> 1. Apple's XCode - Available from the Panther/Tiger media or
the  
>>>> Apple Developer website.
>>>> Contains the gcc compiler for compiling stuff.
>>>>
>>>> 2. Fink - available at fink.sourceforge.net. Allows you to  
>>>> install unix software easily
>>>> either via compiling it or installing binaries. Graphviz is  
>>>> available this way.
>>>>
>>>> 3. DarwinPorts - available at darwinports.opendarwin.org. Same
 
>>>> concept as fink, considered
>>>> better by some, I like it because it installs the latest
version  
>>>> of Subversion whereas fink
>>>> installs an older version.
>>>>
>>>> Alex
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, May 15, 2005 at 12:55:04PM -0400, David Diskin wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Another topic that I'd be interested (not for this coming
week)  
>>>>> in is
>>>>> how to install Unix products (e.g. GraphViz) that the
Plone/Zope
>>>>> environment can use. In particular, I'm interested in this
for  
>>>>> Mac OS
>>>>> X. This is related to Jule's great notes on installing
Zope/ 
>>>>> Plone from
>>>>> scratch for Mac OS X. I'm a unix newbie so all of this
would be  
>>>>> very
>>>>> helpful to me. I'm not sure how many others would benefit,
but I'm
>>>>> guessing at least a few.
>>>>>
>>>>> David
>>>>>
>>>>> On May 14, 2005, at 9:04 PM, Jonah Crawford wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Seeming how we all just got out of a week long class
maybe we  
>>>>>> should
>>>>>> go over things that are relevant to the training while
it is  
>>>>>> still
>>>>>> fresh in our minds. I think consulting advice can wait
for  
>>>>>> now. Just a
>>>>>> thought. I also think it would be a good idea to talk
about  
>>>>>> the future
>>>>>> of ZPUG as Joel will soon be leaving. Of particular
interest our
>>>>>> relationship with Porter Novelli, future bootcamps,
breakout  
>>>>>> sessions,
>>>>>> finding speakers etc.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jonah
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On May 14, 2005, at 8:56 PM, Alex Clark wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Tuesday works for me if we can get a presenter or
something  
>>>>>>> to do.
>>>>>>> So if anyone has an idea please chime in! I think
we had  
>>>>>>> discussed
>>>>>>> having a meeting about best consulting practices.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sat, May 14, 2005 at 08:03:48PM -0400, David
Diskin wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Alex -
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> i thought we'd officially changed the meeting
day to Tuesday. I
>>>>>>>> have a
>>>>>>>> conflict on Monday at least until the end of
May.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> David
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On May 14, 2005, at 7:05 PM, Alex Clark wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Anyone want to present on Monday or meet
for other nefarious
>>>>>>>>> purposes ?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> -- Alex Clark  aclark.NET
>>>>>>>>> Web Hosting - System/Network Consulting -
Zope/Plone  
>>>>>>>>> Consulting
>>>>>>>>> 4512 Avamere Street Bethesda MD 20814 
Phone: 410-340-6010
>>>>>>>>> E-Mail: aclark(at)aclark.NET URL: http://aclark.NET
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> -- To unsubscribe send an email with
subject 'unsubscribe' to
>>>>>>>>> zpugdc(at)lists.zpugdc.org.
>>>>>>>>> Please contact
zpugdc-owner(at)lists.zpugdc.org for questions.
>>>>>>>>> http://zpugdc.org/lists/zpugdc/archive/

>>>>>>>>> 2005/2005-05/1116107404711
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ==============================
>>>>>>>> David Diskin, david.diskin(at)verizon.net
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -- To unsubscribe send an email with subject
'unsubscribe' to
>>>>>>>> zpugdc(at)lists.zpugdc.org.
>>>>>>>> Please contact
zpugdc-owner(at)lists.zpugdc.org for questions.
>>>>>>>> http://zpugdc.org/lists/zpugdc/archive/

>>>>>>>> 2005/2005-05/1116107404711/
>>>>>>>> 1116111235207
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -- Alex Clark  aclark.NET
>>>>>>> Web Hosting - System/Network Consulting -
Zope/Plone Consulting
>>>>>>> 4512 Avamere Street Bethesda MD 20814  Phone:
410-340-6010
>>>>>>> E-Mail: aclark(at)aclark.NET URL: http://aclark.NET
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -- To unsubscribe send an email with subject
'unsubscribe' to
>>>>>>> zpugdc(at)lists.zpugdc.org.
>>>>>>> Please contact zpugdc-owner(at)lists.zpugdc.org
for questions.
>>>>>>> http://zpugdc.org/lists/zpugdc/archive/

>>>>>>> 2005/2005-05/1116107404711/
>>>>>>> 1116114060672
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -- To unsubscribe send an email with subject
'unsubscribe' to
>>>>>> zpugdc(at)lists.zpugdc.org.
>>>>>> Please contact zpugdc-owner(at)lists.zpugdc.org for
questions.
>>>>>> http://zpugdc.org/lists/zpugdc/archive/

>>>>>> 2005/2005-05/1116107404711/
>>>>>> 1116114856694
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> ==============================
>>>>> David Diskin, david.diskin(at)verizon.net
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -- To unsubscribe send an email with subject 'unsubscribe'
to
>>>>> zpugdc(at)lists.zpugdc.org.
>>>>> Please contact zpugdc-owner(at)lists.zpugdc.org for
questions.
>>>>> http://zpugdc.org/lists/zpugdc/archive/

>>>>> 2005/2005-05/1116107404711/1116171912724
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -- 
>>>> Alex Clark  aclark.NET
>>>> Web Hosting - System/Network Consulting - Zope/Plone
Consulting
>>>> 4512 Avamere Street Bethesda MD 20814  Phone: 410-340-6010
>>>> E-Mail: aclark(at)aclark.NET URL: http://aclark.NET
>>>>
>>>> -- 
>>>> To unsubscribe send an email with subject 'unsubscribe' to  
>>>> zpugdc(at)lists.zpugdc.org.
>>>> Please contact zpugdc-owner(at)lists.zpugdc.org for questions.
>>>> http://zpugdc.org/lists/zpugdc/archive/

>>>> 2005/2005-05/1116107404711/1116174104455
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> ==============================
>>> David Diskin, david.diskin(at)verizon.net
>>>
>>>
>>> -- 
>>> To unsubscribe send an email with subject 'unsubscribe' to  
>>> zpugdc(at)lists.zpugdc.org.
>>> Please contact zpugdc-owner(at)lists.zpugdc.org for questions.
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>>> 2005/2005-05/1116179025040/1116183170120
>>>
>>>
>>>[...]

I spent some time this AM perusing the web and found mod_python and PSP to suit
the following need..Do you agree? I had looked at Zope and Quixote etc. a while
back and not sure if they are an overkill. 
Any advise welcome..
thanks again
-raj

[...]

Hi David, 

Have you looked at the member_search_results page template ? 
Does that help at all ? 

Alex

On Fri, May 20, 2005 at 09:30:32AM -0400, David Greisen wrote:[...]
[...]

Absolutely. 

You'll probably want to start by becoming familiar with relational databases in
zope:
http://www.zope.org/Documentation/Books/ZopeBook/2_6Edition/RelationalDatabases.stx

Alex

On Tue, May 17, 2005 at 01:14:19PM +0000, r0x61j(at)comcast.net wrote:[...]
[...]

On Tue, May 17, 2005 at 05:58:15PM +0000, r0x61j(at)comcast.net wrote:[...]

Maybe for a quick and dirty solution. It doesn't sound like that stuff lives up
to the 
"plone ideal" of separating logic and content, among other things.
[...]

Well Plone is a Zope Application... and Quixote sounds like another PSP-ish
technique (Python Server Pages).

The PSP Story from http://www.onlamp.com/pub/a/python/2004/02/26/python_server_pages.html

is fairly interesting:

  Inlining Python in HTML is a subject of some controversy. Some people
consider code inside HTML a bad programming practice, 
  since it utterly violates the Model-View-Controller paradigm by placing the
application logic inside the presentation layer. 
  (I am inclined to agree with this, but as you will see later on, there are
ways to use PSP that actually comply with the MVC model.) 
  Bad as it may be, millions of PHP users show a clear demand for this style of
programming  developers are having success implementing sites this way.
[...]
[...]

On May 20, 2005, at 1:49 PM, Alex Clark wrote:[...]
Quixote is another technique, but is definitely *not* PSP-ish.
The templating pattern included with and commonly used in Quixote is the
opposite of the PSP pattern:  markup in Python, not Python in markup.
Quixote is really more about using Python code to define and publish
a url namespace.  It includes form generating and processing modules,  
but
it is doesn't provide higher-level components as in Zope/Plone.