Jules and Fellow Plonistas,

I am speaking for several co-workers and myself as we have a heavy interest
in attending a Plone/Zope "boot camp" training course.  We as a group have
been working with Plone/Zope tools for the better part of a year, and have
found the usefulness of the technologies to be very exciting and are now in
the latter stages of production on our second Plone portal.  For now you
could count on three of us attending, all of us having varying levels of
skill and experience (from Backend administration, Python/Zope/Plone
programming, and User level skills).  I am curious if the curriculum is set
in stone, or if it is based more around the group users who are attending?
Currently one of our team members has travel commitments during the first
half of February, so if we could set the tentative schedule past that it
would be very much appreciated.

Cheers,
Carlo Thomas Seta

Humanitas, Inc.
8630 Fenton Street, Suite 820
Silver Spring, MD 20910
T:  301.608.3290 xt. 206

    


-----Original Message-----
From: Jules [mailto:jules(at)jules.com]
Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 3:34 PM
To: zpugdc(at)lists.zpugdc.org
Subject: [ZPUGDC] Training.


Our Plone, Zope and spiritual leader Joel Burton is currently in the 
wilds of North Carolina training the local ZPUG on how to be Plone rock 
stars.

	http://trizpug.org/boot-camp/wiki/BootCampPhotos

I've spoken with Joel about doing the same thing here and he's game. It 
would be a week commitment and there would be a yet to be decided fee 
for Joel's time.

Are there enough people interested in doing such a thing? If there were 
a smaller number of people interested I'd see about using a large 
conference room at my place of work. If it were a larger number 
something else would have to be worked out.

What say you?

Cheers,
Jules

--

Ditto. ...s.

Robert Merrill wrote:[...][...]
>>> wilds of North Carolina training the local ZPUG on how to be Plone
 
>>> rock stars.
>>>
>>>     http://trizpug.org/boot-camp/wiki/BootCampPhotos
>>>
>>> I've spoken with Joel about doing the same thing here and he's
game.  
>>> It would be a week commitment and there would be a yet to be
decided  
>>> fee for Joel's time.
>>>
>>> Are there enough people interested in doing such a thing? If there
 
>>> were a smaller number of people interested I'd see about using a  
>>> large conference room at my place of work. If it were a larger 
>>> number  something else would have to be worked out.
>>>
>>> What say you?
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Jules
[...]

I'm in.

I would definitely attend.

Bill

-----Original Message-----
From: Jules [mailto:jules(at)jules.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 3:34 PM
To: zpugdc(at)lists.zpugdc.org
Subject: [ZPUGDC] Training.

I've spoken with Joel about doing the same thing here and he's game. It 
would be a week commitment and there would be a yet to be decided fee 
for Joel's time.

Are there enough people interested in doing such a thing?

I am also interested.

I work full time but I can surely take a day or two off if they're
all-day and I am of course willing to pay around $100 or so...

Chris


On Thu, 06 Jan 2005 10:45:25 -0500, Jordi Yeh <jyeh(at)g2pc.com>
wrote:[...]

[...]

On Wed, 2005-01-05 at 15:33 -0500, Jules wrote:
[...]


Depending on the timing, I'm interested.

-Brian
[...]

Jules wrote:[...]

More info needed.  As others have said, time, money and I guess I'd add
"intended audience skill level" are all factors.
[...]

On Thursday 06 January 2005 03:08 pm, Kevin Cole wrote:[...]

No doubt.

My normal intro-to-Plone-development is one week (some clients bring 
me back for more advanced topics later). The bootcamp I'm teaching 
now is one week, 9a-5p every day.

I don't normally charge per student but as a fixed cost. I discounted 
my usual rate for this ZPUG, and would, of course, offer a discount 
to DCZPUG. I think if we had enough people interested, the cost per 
student for the week could be about $200. If we could get a sponsor 
to help defray the costs, we could probably lower it.

As for audience skill level, we'd need to aim for the sweet spot: 
people who know some Python (but aren't neccessarily gurus), who have 
successfully installed Zope/Plone (and maybe played around a bit, but 
not neccessarily). We could aim it higher, but I think we'd get 
incresaingly fewer people. I suspect that there wouldn't too much new 
to you, Kevin, until late in the week.

Anyhoo, I'm having a blast here -- it's a fun group, we're having a 
good time, and there will now be 40 good Plone developers in the 
town. I'd be happy to talk about doing something like this with us.

Perhaps interested people want to form an ad-hoc committee?

- j.
 [...]

I would most DEFINITELY be in.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jordi Yeh [mailto:jyeh(at)g2pc.com] 
Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2005 10:45 AM
To: zpugdc(at)lists.zpugdc.org
Subject: Re: [ZPUGDC] Training.

I am also interested.
[...]

Joel Burton wrote:

 >Kevin Cole wrote:
 >[...][...]

Oops.  By time, I meant "When?" And I forgot to add the question "Where?"
I have a three-week vacation coming up in March, so I'm trying to
schedule things nicely.  As to location, Metro-accessible is high on my
list.

That's basically my feeling as well - it really depends on the price.

--
Patrick Narkinsky - patrick(at)narkinsky.com

"Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but not their own facts."   
- Senator Daniel Patrick Moynihan
On Jan 6, 2005, at 12:58 AM, David Diskin wrote:
[...][...][...]

I would be interested in a one-day boot camp that could
get me to creating Plone sites that don't look like Plone sites.
No way could I take a week off to attend such a course, though,
since I'm no longer self-employed!

--Mark Johnson

-----Original Message-----
From: Carlo Seta
To: 'zpugdc(at)lists.zpugdc.org'
Cc: 'jules(at)jules.com'
Sent: 06/01/2005 08:29 a.m.
Subject: [ZPUGDC] Training - Boot Camp


Jules and Fellow Plonistas,

I am speaking for several co-workers and myself as we have a heavy
interest
in attending a Plone/Zope "boot camp" training course.  We as a group
have
been working with Plone/Zope tools for the better part of a year, and
have
found the usefulness of the technologies to be very exciting and are now
in
the latter stages of production on our second Plone portal.  For now you
could count on three of us attending, all of us having varying levels of
skill and experience (from Backend administration, Python/Zope/Plone
programming, and User level skills).  I am curious if the curriculum is
set
in stone, or if it is based more around the group users who are
attending?
Currently one of our team members has travel commitments during the
first
half of February, so if we could set the tentative schedule past that it
would be very much appreciated.

Cheers,
Carlo Thomas Seta

Humanitas, Inc.
8630 Fenton Street, Suite 820
Silver Spring, MD 20910
T:  301.608.3290 xt. 206

    


-----Original Message-----
From: Jules [mailto:jules(at)jules.com]
Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 3:34 PM
To: zpugdc(at)lists.zpugdc.org
Subject: [ZPUGDC] Training.


Our Plone, Zope and spiritual leader Joel Burton is currently in the 
wilds of North Carolina training the local ZPUG on how to be Plone rock 
stars.

	http://trizpug.org/boot-camp/wiki/BootCampPhotos

I've spoken with Joel about doing the same thing here and he's game. It 
would be a week commitment and there would be a yet to be decided fee 
for Joel's time.

Are there enough people interested in doing such a thing? If there were 
a smaller number of people interested I'd see about using a large 
conference room at my place of work. If it were a larger number 
something else would have to be worked out.

What say you?

Cheers,
Jules

--



[...]

Joel Burton <joel(at)joelburton.com> writes:
[...]
[...]

This sounds perfect for me. Where do I sign up? :-)

This gives me plenty of time time convince my office that we NEED TO
CODE THE INTRANET IN PLONE so that it won't seem to strange when I ask
for the week off for plone training.  Or, I will take a working
vacation if it comes to it!  I am really getting back into plone and
know that as it goes now,  I am pretty sad and basic.

Chris

On Fri, 07 Jan 2005 10:08:06 -0500, Chris Shenton
<Chris.Shenton(at)hq.nasa.gov> wrote:[...]

[...]

Joel's hinted at pricing and it seems to be in the $200ish range for 
the week (depending on how many would attend). I don't know if you've 
ever priced out corporate training for you or employees but this is 
perhaps the bargain of the year.

It seems that we have three audiences:

  - People who want to learn customization and ZPT-fu;

  - People who want to learn how to build archetypes and do Py stuff; and

  - People who are in both groups.

Would it make sense to split the class into two parts? Two days on 
customization and three on programming? And the last group could attend 
the entire week if they had the luxury of time. The other two would 
still get training. And perhaps there could be a week between the first 
and second classes which might make schedules better for employers and 
clients.

What if it were 75% of the cost for each leg or (obviously) 100% for 
both?

Random thoughts...

--
If I can see farther it is because I am surrounded by dwarves.

Well, when I was Managing Director of beenhive NA, we did weeklong
Zope courses for well over $2k for the week per-person.  And at least
one of these courses featured Joel Burton as trainer, back in the day
when I could actually afford him!  (cue the song Memories)

http://chrisabraham.com/Members/chris/documents/News_Item.2003-01-28.3122


On Fri, 7 Jan 2005 10:34:22 -0500, Jules <jules(at)jules.com> wrote:[...]

[...]

The cost seems very reasonable and  I would definitely come, schedule  
permitting.  I would attend all 5 days if at all possible, but I can  
see that it would make sense to break it into 2 parts for folks who may  
already know one of the parts or who are not interested in the other  
part.

David

On Jan 7, 2005, at 10:34 AM, Jules wrote:
[...]
==============================
David Diskin, david.diskin(at)verizon.net

Add me to the list (schedule permitting.)

Patrick

--
Patrick Narkinsky - patrick(at)narkinsky.com

"Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but not their own facts."   
- Senator Daniel Patrick Moynihan
On Jan 7, 2005, at 12:03 PM, David Diskin wrote:
[...][...][...]

Jules <jules(at)jules.com> writes:
[...]

I'm a newbie to Plone/Zope/Python but not to coding, system design,
etc.  As Joel described, I'm a guy who installed it, played around a
bit, got some content up, installed Epoz, but that's about it.

ZPT is probably beyond me, as are Archetypes and Python programming.
While I could probably pick these up quickly, what I need is something
to get me over the hump of getting into Plone/Zope. It's incredibly
powerful but that implies complexity. Where do I start? That kind of
stuff.

I keep thinking if I could get some hands-on, practical training --
perhaps going through what you folks do with normal clients (visual
customization, creating sections and tabs, perhaps a custom template
and smallish application behind it, maybe tweaking workflow?) -- it
might get me over this barrier to entry.

Once I got comfortable with that, I'd have all the motivation in the
world to develop Python-backed ZPT-based buck-rogers applications.

In the mean time, I'm reading McKay, Meloni, the Zope Book, Dive Into
Python, and have others on order.  But I'm still feeling "stuck" with
where to get started when approaching Plone/Zope. I'm hoping a class
will get me beyond that.  
[...]

That might be helpful.

As others have said, this is sounds like a great approach. Schedule permitting
I would sign up for both classes.

- Robert

On Friday, January 07, 2005, at 10:34AM, Jules <jules(at)jules.com>
wrote:
[...]

I'd be happy to send 3-4 of my developers, if the timing were right.

-Kevin

Jules wrote:
[...]

And upon further consideration, my new company has a 25+ person-capacity 
conference room in Rockville that could possibly be used.  Again, timing 
would be a major consideration.

-Kevin


Jules wrote:
[...]